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Can your natal chart show if you are an extrovert or an introvert?

 The simple answer would be yes and, in this post, I will show you some quick hacks into reading natal charts from this perspective.  The reason this can matter is that we want to know what gives you energy and keeps you balanced as a person. We need to know what needs to be balanced before looking deeper into the natal chart to see the how to actually improve your life. First, let us define what extroversion and introversion even is. Simply speaking, it has to do with orientation towards the world. Are you looking inward and then outward or are you looking outward and there inward? 

Extroversion in a person would be defined as being energized by interaction with people and the external objective world. In contrast, introversion would be defined as being energized by time alone and interaction with an internal subjective world. Very few people fall neatly into one of these categories because there is a spectrum of being an introvert or an extrovert. It is also important to note that this has nothing to do with how shy or sensitive you are. If you are an outgoing person, you can still be an introvert if your prime focus is your internal system of feelings, values and dreams. As far as sensitivity goes, we can also note that some people are sensitive to sensual stimuli like sounds or scents and others are sensitive to someone acting against a value they hold dear. These are both sensitivities but they are oriented towards different things. So, how can you see if someone is primarily an introvert or an extrovert in their natal chart?  I tend to follow a simple three step analysis. I always start with the ascendant -descendant axis to see how people feel and interact with the world. The Ascendant would indicate YOU and the descendant would indicate WORLD. Psychologically, they are both actually part of your psyche and tend to play a game of push and pull or shadow and light. In a natal chart reading this would be the prime consideration but, in a personality reading it would matter far less. Let me give you an example that might surprise you…Virgo ascendant. Most people would think this person seems very reserved, shy, serious, analytical and probably an introvert. However, you need to remember that they have Pisces as their filter for WORLD. Therefore, these people are very open towards taking in the world around them and very open towards experience. Pisces has zero filter about what it takes into itself and this makes the person truly open-minded and yes, an extrovert. Now, you might say this doesn’t make sense and indeed if we stop here is makes no sense to label every Virgo ascendant an extrovert. Our next step would be to look at the ruler of their Ascendant and its location. The ruler of Virgo, Mercury in the very private sphere of the 4th house is very different to a Mercury in the social 11th house. The location of the ruler of your chart therefore would point to your orientation outward or inward. 

What is the next step to see if you are an introvert or extrovert? I would look at your Moon and see what are the basic needs that are non-negotiable and this includes sign AND house. It is also very important to look at rulerships to really get a better picture. 

who is thinking by looking inwards and who is speaking by looking outwards? 😉

To make the process easier let us consider some real-life examples:

Bill Gates natal chart

Bill Gates was born under a late Cancer Ascendant so Saturn (Capricorn) rules his perception of the world. This itself shows someone who is oriented towards their values, emotions and needs and wants to protect their inner vision from the hard and difficult outer world. This person sees the world as a place to be impacted by his own personal vision because Saturn is in Scorpio in the 5th house. Bill therefore is oriented inwards in order to transform (Scorpio) the world (Saturn) with his creative vision (5th house). Bill’s chart ruler the Moon is in the sign of Aries in the 10th house. Mars ruler of his Moon is in the fourth house together with Mercury which indicates a lot of inner introspection about ideas that form his need to act (Mars). We can also note Bill’s Sun is conjunct Neptune but square Uranus on his ascendant. He may be very good at knowing what other people need and want but his inner self stays hidden/private.

Verdict? Introvert!

Bill Gates is very in touch with the masses because Moon is conjunct his MC. He can extrovert his grand ideas (Uranus rising) but he is motivated by inner values and feelings (Moon ruled by a 4th house Mars). In MBTI typing I would say he has dominant introverted thinking and a large vision composed of future orientation (Uranus, Sun-Neptune) so a strong intuitive function right there! People tend to type him as ENTJ which can indeed fit in some ways but I would go with INTP based on this chart. I don’t see the ENTJ at all here. 

Steve Jobs natal chart

Let us try another example: Steve Jobs. Is he an introvert or an extrovert? Jobs is a Virgo ascendant so already my prior example of extroverted orientation towards the world applies. His Mercury is in Aquarius in the 5th house which shows a strong tendency towards social self-expression- a person who wants to play the eccentric in the group and be noticed (Leo rules the 5th house). He has a rather weak Aries Moon the 7thhouse so once again very inclined towards taking action towards people or towards leading people. The ruler of his 5th house is conjunct Uranus and in the very public 10 house.

Verdict? Extrovert!

A very creative, theatrical person with strong leadership abilities and not very in touch with his inner emotions or even who he is. The weak Sun/Moon is indicative of someone who takes action and thinks later. It also suggests he is very defined by the public for better and for worse. In MBTI terms I see strong extroverted sensing and weak introverted feeling. Steve Jobs is probably an ENTJ (leader, not feeler). I hope this was a helpful brief overview of how I analyze basic personality traits in a chart.

What is your personality type? 

Virgo Rising: The Maze

Wanting to be someone else is a waste of the person you are.  / We have no right to express an opinion until we know all of the answers  – Kurt Cobain, Virgo rising.

A Vigo rising is a bit of a contradiction, today I want to talk about the troubles these folks face- as well as the strengths of their character. The ascendant is often described as a mask- it is not who you really are.  Is that really so? If you think about it- a mask is still something you chose to wear- it is still a part of who you are by choice. I do not mean you chose to behave like your rising, rather you identify with it. For example, our taste in food, music, fashion and friends all compose our self-image.  

What is the self-image of the Virgo rising?

Virgo rising people are used to being the responsible one, they are familiar with people turning towards them when things need to get done or a question needs to be answered.

Unlike an Aries rising they are not “the wild one” or at least not when growing up- but we will get to that a bit later. You can recognize a Virgo rising person if you meet them and the first thing they do is ask you a question. The Gemini may ask you something to start a conversation but the Virgo will ask you something like: “would you like some water?” they will then run into the kitchen and bring you something. They will not do it like the Libra rising, with a smile and lots of charm- they will always do things without taking the limelight and probably without making a big deal out of it. This is why people tend to view them as reliable and responsible.

Really what the Virgo rising wants and does is only one thing: gathering information. It is their curse and their gift. They may be doing something with you or for you but their mind is always in one place- wanting to know.  Knowing for them is the way their mind works- they always need more information and once they have it they make sure to gather more details – in every situation. The Virgo rising is truly amazing when it comes to what they know- which is a lot- the only problem is they don’t  filter the information at all. It is truly hard for them to figure out what is important and what is useless and so they end up with a messy mind. Worse, they end up obsessed and stressed out and unable to organize their mind.

It is their curse and their gift. They may be doing something with you or for you but their mind is always in one place- wanting to know.  Knowing for them is the way their mind works- they always need more information and once they have it they make sure to gather more details – in every situation. The Virgo rising is truly amazing when it comes to what they know- which is a lot- the only problem is they don’t  filter the information at all. It is truly hard for them to figure out what is important and what is useless and so they end up with a messy mind. Worse, they end up obsessed and stressed out and unable to organize their mind.

I believe it is a misconception to think of Virgo as the clean, organized person- the usual description of Virgo qualities is really a description of who they want to be.The Virgo rising wants to be the perfect person, perfection can mean a lot of different things for a lot of different people.

Usually these are the people who strive to reach that image, and guess what? They really do care what you think of them.  They care because they don’t realize that other people are not necessarily putting them under scrutiny all the time- it is they who are so hard on themselves. They really do need to learn to turn that negative record in their brain: “I’m not good enough; I wish I was better looking, I could do this job better”.

The Virgo rising is rarely relaxed- they are always busy on the inside- trying to learn, analyze or criticize the new information.  They don’t show how tired that makes them feel- usually you know something is wrong if they take a sick day or stop asking questions. This rising sign is an introverted one- they do need time alone to relax and unwind.  More importantly they need time to figure out what matters to them and what is just a response towards the stimulation of the world.

They are not repressed emotionally like the Virgo Moon person- but they are unable to stop their mind from racing. The best way to deal with this is to use their genius ability for the sake of others- if they do research of some sort for a goal that someone else needs, their mind is able to let some of the information go. They should also try and learn about meditation or anything else that relaxes and stops their mind from working.

Another thing they should learn (a very Virgo word) is to organize their life better so that they don’t get stuck on all the details. Instead of having to remember where they put their phone or keys of what bills they need to pay- they are better of turning to work that serves them.

Regardless of all that is going on within the mind of a Virgo rising (it is a very interesting mind), they will appear to have it together- they look like they know where they are going. A Virgo rising can be recognized by the following things:  Their eyes are very penetrating and moving from one thing to the next- their gaze is not steady but it is smart. They just look like smart people- it can be all kinds of smart: street smart, student smart, life smart. Similarly to the Gemini there is an element of clever mischief in their gaze as well.  When they let their hair down they tend to be the quirkiest and funniest people. The sense of humor can be a bit sharp but the lines are delivered in such a gentle way you may have missed the joke!  The sound of their voice is almost always quiet and the timber soft.  They appear to be in control of their bodies- their shoulders, back the tilt of the head and they just seem to know where their hands are at. This may make them seem a bit artificial and maybe snobby- to some signs.

In truth Virgo rising just want to appear perfect and they are worried you might judge them, so they try very hard to control themselves. This is a bit unfortunate because when they don’t focus on their own mind and perceptions of the world- they are able to shine with how clever, funny and perfect they are. That is the irony- they are more perfect than most people, as they put so much time and effort into what they do. They just happen not to be perfect at everything – and their biggest flaw in their inability to forgive themselves and others for their flaws.

Now let’s talk about their wild side. They do have one- in fact, the Virgo rising is the person most likely to do crazy things- when they let go.  Remember they are curious people? So that interest may be turned towards less savory things at times. In addition to the interest to know more- it is good to know their shadow side is Pisces- the big dreamer, the escapist. When your shadow side is Neptune- running away from problems is an issue.  The symptoms of these issues can be using drugs, alcohol or sex to run away. It can be a running away into their maze-like mind, into the obsessive thoughts that keep playing.

The same shadow side is also the answer- they are secretly an idealist and they can turn their wish for perfection towards fixing the world- and themselves.  If the problem is in their mind- the answer is both in the Pisces shadow but also out there- in the actual world.

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At the end of the day, Virgo is a sensual sign and their personal growth can only happen through true and real, honest interaction with the “real” world.  Not the world of ideas, thoughts, memories and information- no. The actual world of the present- where they let themselves be flawed and walk outside into the light- being who they really are- honest about their identity without trying to conform to an ideal.  When they reach that point in their growth- they are beautiful. Shining with their deep insight into everything and most of all- in their ability to see that everything is nothing- and only the now matters.

Descendant in Pisces: Love and Relationships

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Kurt Cobain

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Did I say eyes? Amanda has a Pisces rising

Your 7th house is all about your relationships with others. Ruled by Libra and Venus it is a good place to study when questions of love arise. If you have this placement then this means you have a Virgo ascendant. The sign here will show your other half, and the type of people you attract or want in your life. Or the people who want you- and you can’t help but wonder why?

A Pisces Descendant is not an easy place to be. These are people that appear very earthy, analytical, and precise- on the surface. Pisces is the opposite of Virgo as it embodies: transcendence and emotions -it’s anything but precise. The Pisces cannot be pinned down, it’s wishy washy and likes to run away into some other world. Like the hippies of the 60’sthe Pisces idea of love is all beautiful- but it doesn’t always deliver in the material world.

So now you can maybe understand what kind of difficulty such a placement can have. The Virgo rising person attracts people that are full of beautiful ideas and promises- that can prove to be completely untrue! The Virgo rising is fascinated with these people who can bring so much emotion into their life. But they must be careful to always seek the truth and not believe everything that is being promised.

Why are the Pisces types running towards the Virgo risings? As the old saying goes: “opposites attract”, and so the Pisces thinks that the Virgo is wonderful finally! Someone sensitive enough to listen to all the problems, wash the dishes, pay the bills. This is the relationship where one person is pursuing a dream to become an author for years- while the other person is the one taking care of all the real life stuff for them.

The good news is that the partner you are very likely to have is going to have amazing eyes. Not kidding, Pisces eyes are the ones with long lashes sparkles in them, blue or just dreamy and pretty.  You will find love with a very idealistic person, an artist, and musician. Your partner is going to be a person who will be very sweet and gentle towards you, who will look at you as if you a god or goddess. They will idealize you and think you are the best.

To know where and how you shall find this spiritual being, just look at the placement of your Neptune and Jupiter. The houses and signs they are in, can give you a clue of who this person might be.  All you have to do is make sure to have clear boundaries in the relationship.

Pleas watch out for these things:

Any drug or alcohol use-always avoid being the one to heal or fix the person. This will only result in pain for you. Not that you cannot help- but you will ruin yourself in the process.

Empty promises that never actually come true- watch the actions forget the words

Don’t have lovers take money or anything you hold dear for the sake of “helping them”

Make sure that they don’t have a criminal record (really)

Enjoy these things:

Helping them a little bit with making their dreams come true

Learning to have you emotions take hold in everyday life

Remembering you dreams and ideals- and making them a reality

The beautiful creativity and spirituality of your lover s and friends

Hope this post has been helpful, if you have any questions you are welcome to ask me.

I apologize for the long delay in posts. I was going through some difficult changes and transits 🙂